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[xatalantax]

Did you know Massachusetts was a red state in '80 and '84? I knew Reagan won hugely, but I didn't know it was that huge.

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[xenoglaux]

even the dems hated Carter, so that explains 80.
But in 84 wasn't he running against Dukakis? MA.'s former governer?!

[forthright.livejournal.com]

In '84, Mondale only won his home state of Minnesota. Even more strikingly, good ol' socialist Vermont was red in every election from '68 up to and including '88. But this is not evidence of either state's conservatism, but the vestiges of the slow and lamentable demise of the Rockefeller Republican tradition.

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

Yes - perhaps that explains it; did everyone hate Dukakis in MA?

Only a couple of states didn't end up red in '84 - looks like DC and Minnesota.

This is a great site-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1984

The colors are reversed from how they are now though. It's neat to see how it's changed over the years.

[brigid.livejournal.com]

mondale

[brigid.livejournal.com]

dukakis didn't run in 84

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

whoops, I'm wrong ... Mondale not dukakis.

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

yep, I realize I remember way too much about dukakis for it to have been 84.

[anechoic.livejournal.com]

McCarthy was right! The Reds have infiltrated America!

Was he in 88

[xenoglaux]

Against Bush sr. then?

All I remember was the press making fun of his wife for being an alcoholic and the phrase "Kitty Cocktail" being used to refer to rubbing alcohol.

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

Also, in '76 the entire southeast and southern midwest went Democrat. All of those states whose inhabitants are obviously braindead rednecks would have agreed with our friends then. Maybe Reagan turned them all into braindead rednecks.

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

and when eisenhower ran (as a republican, though he was really running as just eisenhower, not as a republican), only the southeast voted democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1952

[frederic.livejournal.com]

Carter is still the epitome of a great president for me on many issues and definitely on personal character, in recent history and definitely in my lifetime. Peace talks with Israel/Egypt, Russia (SaltII), and China (diplomatic ties) were rather successful.

Hated is such a strong word. He faced a time of inflation and unemployment around the time of the election (although his administration did have a net of many millions of jobs). Having the Reagan posse bribing Iran not to turn over the hostages until after the election in exchange for arming them to the gills were some of the dirty politics that Carter faced in the 1980 election.

[julishka.livejournal.com]

you have to take into consideration the migration of people. even looking at 2000/2004, it's interesting to see the shift in the electoral college numbers per state - meaning how many reps each state has.

southern populations have been growing.

(at least that's one take on things.)

[heresiarch.livejournal.com]

Well, today's political parties seem like they've shifted a ton since then. The conservative Christian movement as it exists today really developed in the late 70s and 80s as a response to the cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s...

[heresiarch.livejournal.com]

Additionally, the South was traditionally Democratic until the civil rights movement, which pushed a lot of Dixiecrats into the Republican party. In fact, Tuesday's congressional elections reflect the last few Democratic seats in those areas being vacated and replaced with Republicans. Zell Miller, for example, was a Democrat, but a very right-wing, conservative one, and his seat was filled with a Republican.

Re: Was he in 88

[darla.livejournal.com]

Had to have been '88. i - spurred by my parents - got a majority of my 2nd grade class to vote for Dukakis, after convincing them that they shouldn't just vote for Bush because his name was easy to spell. But despite our blue classroom, Bush still won for the whole elementary school.

Yeah, i was always a geek.

Re: Was he in 88

[lepidosiren.livejournal.com]

got a majority of my 2nd grade class to vote for Dukakis, after convincing them that they shouldn't just vote for Bush because his name was easy to spell.

*ar, har har*

[mittenstein.livejournal.com]

He liked jelly beans.

[egofood.livejournal.com]

1984 was my first chance to vote in a Presidential election. The media was salivating at the prospects of the debates, but Mondale's wonkish personality and Reagan's humor (when questioned about his age Reagan responded "I will not hold my opponent's youth and inexperience against him.") won the day. The fact that the longest peacetime economic expansion in the nation's history was well underway ("Morning in America", "Again ask yourself if you are better off now than you were four years ago.") didn't hurt either. The democrats picking Geraldine Ferraro for Veep is now a little-noticed footnote as really any other Veep choice who doesn't succeed to the Presidency should be.

[atalanta.livejournal.com]

you forgot to add that that's a conspiracy theory, not a fact.

[frederic.livejournal.com]

Either National Security Council members were lying or such a chummy deal of arms dealing with Iran later sprung up uniquely on it's own years later in a similar "arms-for-hostages" deal (where Reagan and others admitted to selling Iran arms for freeing hostages) is indeed something that will never be known for sure. It was made public that Iran's monetary assets were immediately unfrozen in exchange for returning the hostages back in 1980.

[ex-ilyavinar899.livejournal.com]

Eisenhower was very nice,
Nixon was his only vice.